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Tackycat Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
I just answered a post by you about Oliver Twist and greedy republicans that I fear has been erased. I can't find it anywhere. I don't want to type all that over, cause I said a lot about Oliver. But here is this clip again:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-8LgB…
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
  Thanks for the clip.  That particular Oliver certainly looks as if he is really suffering hardship. 

   It is interesting that Oliver is interrupting Mr. Bumble's marriage proposal in this video.   In the book, I believe Oliver first asks the cook or server.   Drama's must be compacted - and the writer of this clip did a great job.

  Years ago, someone I knew actually played "Bill Sykes" and another who played "Noah Bowen"  in a local production of "Oliver".   In the production, the Noah actor actually kicked the boy that played Oliver instead of doing a stage kick.  The boy had bruises from it. 

What was even meaner was the actor who played Bill Sykes actually whipped him with the cane in the scene were he is going to punish him and Nancy stops the beating before it went too far.  In some versions, she stops the physical contact completely. 

   He also told me that the older actors - the ones playing Bill Sykes and Noah Bowen were in their early 20's as often happens in a city little theater production - would do rather disgusting  things to the gruel the orphans would eat.   They complained about that. 

  I don't know why they were so mean to the younger boys - I guess part of the clue might lie in the Dickens novel itself.  It was probably similar to the motivation of Noah Bowen, Mr. Bumble, and Bill Sykes as described by Dickens himself. 

 Another interesting character study and motivation I've been thinking about is found in "Great Expectations."   It is interesting how Pip liked to Mr. Pumbelchuke and his sister about the what he saw at Miss Havasham's manor.  Pip also lied about Miss Havasham having large dogs.   I liked it when Joe the Black Smith asked Pip about it.  I think he said, "...Not even a pup?"   

   Dickens is great!  Too bad more Republicans don't realize how evil their policies are.   Dickens pointed out compassion to the Victorians who were cruel enough to use child labor and let them die in chimneys as chimney sweeps and starve and freeze on the streets of London.  

 In a passage from Mr. Bumble, who sounds like Rush Limbaugh in the book,  he justifies a child losing an arm in the machinery in a factory by saying it will teach him to be more careful.  14 hour shifts for children under 13 where not unusual and they might fall asleep and slip into the machinery - but don't expect any sympathy or compassion from these people.  

  Mr. Bumble also brags how "heroic" a wealthy person is by allowing a family he didn't pay for services as Trump does.  The father said he and his family would wait in front of the rich man's gate until he paid up or they would starve and freeze in front of his house. 

Like Rush Limbaugh or modern Republicans I know, Mr. Bumble took the side of the rich man and applauded  how he allowed the man and his family to starve and freeze to death in front of the rich man's mansion.  

    Ironically, at the end of the book, Mr. Bumble himself ends up in the poor house when some of his dishonest is found out and he is fired from his job. 

    That is like people who voted for Trump to take away their health care and will likely find they need it. 




     
        
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Edited Mar 26, 2017
Yes, technically it was the cook whom Oliver asks, though I usually tend to ignore that. You seem to remember more details about Great Expectations and even Oliver than I do--and I thought I knew 'em both pretty well! It's Noah Claypole, not Bowen, in the book at least, though.

I don't remember that story from Mr. Bumble, but it shows exactly his attitude toward the poor that was present through. I do remember that he and his wife ended up in the poorhouse themselves. That was a fitting reward.

The actor playing this Oliver very much does look like he's suffered hardship all his young life. I'm certain that's why director clive Donner chose him. There's no better Oliver, though I'm biased as this is the first Oliver I ever saw. I never even knew the story before this version, either, but I've seen most other versions since.

I will say something about Republicans though; I've never talked to any people with power or rich Republican fat cats, so I don't really know what their real attitudes are. It's more than a shame if their still thinking like Bumble that the poor deserve their lot in life.

I don' think that most people who vote republican think that way, though. I go to a church where I think most people voted for Trump. And they do believe in helping the poor that giving to charity. They'd never say that God cursed the poor as a punishment, or that orphaned kids had somehow brought it on themselves, like the future Mrs. Bumble does in this movie.

What she said, as I said in the reply that was erased yesterday, was: "Forgive these children their sins; they're sinners ever one of them. They wouldn't be here if they wasn't Help me make them better Christians, Lord."

Why did Trump even want to be president? I think it's some kind of challenge to him, the same as his business, only much more challenging, like the ultimate chess game. His wife is reportedly very unhappy that she and Barron got dragged into all this.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
If you enjoyed the Dicken's novel,  you will LOVE this other classic by Henry James - "The Turn of the Screw" - several movies were made from this classic novella as well as a very modern opera by Benjamin Britain.  

Have you heard of "The Turn of the Screw" by Henry James? 

 Here is a movie with Marilyn Brando.  It is a prequile to the classic "The Turn of the Screw."  


www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vyg7K…

Also, this is another version - it is all classic ---

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbrFFL…

 Let me know what you think - but you may already know about these great stories.   

          You will enjoy drawing these characters as well as the ones from Dickens. 
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
I'll watch em. I have already heard of Turn of the Screw, I read it back in college.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
  Did you think the narrator might have actually been Miles as an adult and that he had a crush on the crazy governess?

  The more I study the book, the more it appears that the ghost of Peter Quince and Miss Jesselle where figments the new governesses's   overheated imagination. 

   She WAS an innocent and unworldly parson's daughter and she was over come with the manor and her first job.  To add to that, she had a crush on the handsome Uncle and maybe on Miles as well.  She was really charmed by him - 

      If you get a chance, watch "The Night Comes" - a prequel to "The Turn of the Screw."  It is a lot of fun to watch.  Brando, interestingly enough, plays Peter Quince. 

         The movie that best shows the ambiguity of the ghosts and the story is the movie, "The Innocents" - based on the book. 

Alfred Hitchcock directed it.  Also, the BBC had a great version of "The Turn of the Screw" as well. 

     By the way, the book is difficult reading because Henry James wrote in very long compound/complex sentences that might be an entire page of print in length.   It is a very formal style.  Thanks to tapes and CD's, there are some excellent versions of the story as an audio book. 

  I don't suggest anyone actually reads the book - but get the audio book or play instead. 

  The famous Opera on "Turn of the Screw"  suggests the ghost are not a figment of the governess's imagination, but they are real. 

  I believe Henry James, always the psychological writer, meant them to be imaged by the governess and her over heated imagination - much like Pizza Gate being a Alt-Right fever dream.  ( See, I managed to get politics into this!)

          What is your opinion of the story?  What class did they have you read it in?  Wasn't it a 'bitch' to read those long sentences of Henry James.  They are great to practice sentence outlining, but it makes Henry Jame's work almost unreadable.  Still, his stories are great psychological stories and he makes  use of his very great observational skills to catch very subtle reactions we see in people's
interactions. 

   If you do nothing else, watch "The Night Comers" and let me know what you think... it might inspire some really good art work. 

 I sent you the link to the free version on YouTube in my other post. 

  Did you want to become a writer or a psychologist?  I assume that is why the class had you read this classic.  

 I was in the touring production of Benjamin Britten's operatic version as well as have done papers on the novella.  

 You would think with all this education I have, I'd have something better to do than talk with these dumb-ass Trump supporters - but there are few things better or more important than resisting fascism.   I feel like Rick, from "Rick and Morty" when I call them "Dumb asses."   

  All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing, as the saying goes.   Speaking out for brotherhood and human rights in the face of a fascist demigod  is important.  

   

    
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Edited Mar 28, 2017
That could very well be--it's one way of reading it. I really don't remember the original story that much. Some of it came back when I saw the movie.

That's what James was trying to do, keep readers guessing. One of those ambiguous stories. At the end of The Innocents, it really did look like Miles was being possessed by the spirit of Quint. Though, like I said, I can't remember the story, but at the end of the film it looked liked Miles died. It was a good film, but a bit too downbeat for me. Don't get me wrong. Oliver Twist is a grim story, but it ends with the hero triumphing at the end.

I am an English major and I had to read it in one of the English classes I took.

I'm sorry, but I didn't get through the Nightcomers. There was too much cruelty in it. Does it get better near the end? I couldn't figure out why the kids wanted to hang around that psycho at all, but it shows how Miles could have been really messed up, so it certainly works as a background. Maybe  the Innocents could inspire artwork, but I don't see how this one could.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017
  I am agree with what you said about Henry James.  I see it that way too. 

   I was living in NYC new Washington Square at times and some of the elegant buildings and parks in Jame's time are still there.  NYC can be a magically place of high culture.  I also taught in the Intercity schools, and NYC can also be an urban distopia as well in parts.  What a city!   -  Henry James wrote about eligant and wealthy people in that New York of the turn of the century.   Dickens wrote mostly in London.  You can visit the places they wrote about. 
There is nothing like a literary tour.   By the way, did you ever hear of the tour in Ireland on "Bloom's Day" ----  You can follow the tour of  the Jewish 'Bloom' in James Joyces Ulysses on his memorable night when he went urban adventuring with Jesuit friend who was a teacher.   

  Get the movie or the tape - the book is impossible to read -- LOL  --   If you can, get the version of the story were actors are reading the voices of the characters. 

 I don't need to tell you, if you are an English major, that James Joyes's "Ulysses" is written in  a "Flow of consciousness" style.   Does Huck Finn get the credit for being the first  flow of consciousness novel ?  I think so.    

  The interesting thing is that it was at the turn of the last century that people became particularly interested in flow of consciousness - you know - because of the advances in modern psychology at that time. 
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 Novels are great for understanding human nature.  I'm think of the concept that the universe isn't made up of billions of atoms, but of billions of stories. lol 

  OK - so I'm NOT an English major - more of a graphic art and animation major - but I've graduated twice.   I've read a heck of a lot of books being influenced by my father who grew up in the Great Depression before there was television and reading literature was a big part of childhood.   Summer in Arizona ofteh gets over 115 degrees and there are many opportunities to sit in the air conditioning while growing up, work a Lionel model train set, build plastic and wooden models - but mostly, time to read often illustrated classic books and comics, play board games, etc.  We would go to the air conditioned mall and buy comic books which were everywhere and see the lurid and intriguing covers of science fiction paper back books.  

 Now here is the interesting part;  I was friends with Steven Spielberg while growing up and we''d spend an occasional summer afternoon together.  For example, we saw the movie "The Lost World" long before he made "Jurassic Park" We were intrigued by the same books on dinosaurs that were on sale in those  days - and he based the costumes in the movie on some of the pictures in these books, I believe.   

  Also, there is a scene in the movie "A.I." with a robot destruction derby that is very similar to the ones he an I went to at the Arizona State Fair in the 1950's and 1960's.   Of course, it was old cars and not outdated robots, but everything else is exactly like the actual events. 
 

 OK - and now the part which interests me the most - You didn't like "The Night Comers?

    My friends loved the movie because of the Peter Quince character well played by Marlin Brando.   We would joke about his role a lot.   

 After I taught for a while in the New York Intercity schools, I got a job as a private tutor and care taker for a wealthy family.  There were two children who would remind you for all the world of Miles and Flora in the novella.   OK, so I'm not as earthy or a blackguard like Brando played, but I certainly was more middle class and mid or south western that aristocratic family I was working for.   It was sort of like the anime, "The Host Club."  There was a culture difference, but they liked me quite a bit and I was one of the family.  Not bad for a college graduate in his early 20's.   

     I would guide the children all over the city including the museums, theaters, cultural attractions, etc.  I also enjoyed these cultural events myself. 

       I was given money to buy them lunch and dinner, and even some for toys at the exclusive toy stores.   We watched Shakespeare in the Park and I explained the plays to them, which they enjoyed.   We'd go to the beach the aquarium and many places to the delight of the parents who were often away for weeks on business.     Like Brando in the movie, I was their guide and mentor.    One of the issues in the movie is telling the children about God and death. 
My views are the same as Brando's character, Peter Quince.    When the children in the movie tell the governess and the head house keeper their views on religion,  my friends and I really admired the children's independence from the oppression of bad and restrictive religion.   In fact, the young actors in the movie sounded exactly like my two charges when challenged by hateful and bigoted fundamentalists we might meet in our adventures and trips  through the city.  We also had a great fall season in Cape Cod as well.  I should mention, in addition to museums and plays, we did salt water fishing as well and also visited and had a few tours of navel bases.  It was great!   The parents said they never had a better tutor and they had had a number of them.  Like the children in the movie, they looked up to me.   Also, the city has its challenges while  walking and with mass transit.  In fact, NYC always has challenges.    I was capable of guiding the three of us through them as surly as Brando might have as Peter Quince.  You can see how it was a great and memorable time of my life. , 

  There was another story by Henry James called "The Pupil" if I recall.   Henry James often wrote about wealthy families who leave childcare to butlers, tutors and governesses.  

      In New York, I read a lot and saw a lot of performances as well.   It was a great place to be young.  Phoenix in the 1970's was dead - it was too hot, there is too much urban sprawl, too few cultural events and at that time, thanks to Nixon, we were having a depression that was the worst until Bush W.'s Great Recession.    

  I might mention that I also drove a cab in the evening when I was teaching in the ghetto schools to make extra money.  The pay was low.  It was always low. 
 
      The job with the wealthy family took day and night and I'd often sleep over.   I had other friends there too.   By the way, I was not as earthy or course as Brando's character in the movie - but it was a fun comparison for my friends and myself when I would visit with my pupils.   My friends were college student at Columbia University.  

  So much for the auto-biography!  I loved recalling those great days in NYC in the 1970's.   I hope you also make great memories. 

 If times were better back in the 1970's and if Nixon, and later Gerald Ford, like all Republicans, had not plunged the nation into another recession -  


 I would have gladly taken an ordinary and steady job.  Like these days, few people are hiring and they all ask for five years experience.   That is just too damn bad.  

 I, like Peter Quince, will make out the best we can.   
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Edited Mar 28, 2017
Okay. I went back saw the rest of it. It looks like it was a BBC production. Was it? Confession: I did kind of enjoy the ending where Quint dies. That was rather poetic, heheh. I'm not sure if whoever wrote this was being true to James, since the kids in the Innocents ( or the book, from what I recall) didn't really seem cruel or evil. The Innocents kept me in suspensce throughout, which was likely James' intent. But not this.
   One thing struck me, though. Quint kept telling the children that there was no afterlife. This might be seen as a stab against faith, except for who's doing the talking, and the affect it apparently has on the children. So I guess it's actually more pro-faith, whether intended as so or not.
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
Here is a site that has more of my art of Oliver Twist:

www.facebook.com/pg/quigsnip/p…

And will re-type that it was also in the movie that the undertaker used Oliver's angelic looks at the funeral.
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2017
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. There really is some anti-Barron art out there, but I don't think this is it. But I'm sure Barron really loves his family. He was only sleepy that night.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2017
 I hope he was only sleepy - but Trump is a sociopath.  He's married three times and walks in on teenage contestant at his sponsored beauty contest and brags about it. 

    For all his money, he is a probably a lousy father... After all, he is a lousy person...

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QPDd…

 You might want to watch this - it predicted Trump would win when it seemed he wouldn't AND he predicts what will happen with Trump...
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2017
Thanks for that. If we keep losing jobs overseas, Trump won't be able to win a second term.
I hope Trump does better. I really do. If not, I hope we can be rid of him peacefully.

He may or may not be a lousy father. But the threat to his family isn't because of him--well, it is, because he got them in this mess. The problem is we've got a revolution brewing in this country. Of it looks like it. I've never, ever, seen riots like these. Apologies if you're a liberal, but there are hard-core Leftists who will not stop at Trump himself. He's placed Barron and the rest of his family out in front of the raging mobs. Don't believe me? This holiday season, I saw a clip of Barron and the grandkids being constantly surveyed by armed guards, and patrolled by boats outside the Mar-lago. What are they protecting him from? It isn't hard to guess.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2017
       Yes, I agree with your point.  Two engineers from India were killed by an unhinged nut in a bar last week and there are other senseless and violent acts going on now.  

      People are discontent.  This Saturday, I was at a Pro-Trump rally.  People are angry. People are divided.  There were armed supporters in flack jackets and AR-15's and motorcycle gang members with side arms that made up at least half the people at the rally of about 300 people. 

        They are angry.   Hate fills the air. 
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Tackycat Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2017
Possibly, just possibly, some of the anger has dissipated. Trump put in his new travel ban today, and there were a few protests, but nothing like what we've been seeing.

I just watched some youtube footage of the violence that went on just a few blocks from the White House on inauguration. Seriously, I've feared we might be seeing something like the French Terror within four years.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2017
  I'm thinking of the "Cane Mutiny" movie.   This guy is not capable of running a country.  
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017
 I hope you are right.    The boy is an innocent and I wish him the best.   A rich father might be a dream come true or possibly nightmare. 

    
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2017
 

 I'm not attacking his family.  I only feel sorry for the boy.

  Child Protective agency should investigate.  The boy seems very unhappy. 

 He doesn't smile.    It would be a nightmare to have a sociopath for a father.

  No attack here -- only actual concern and sympathy - and that is the truth!  

    Even a man who gets pissed on by Russian whores and then is blackmailed into sucking up to Putin MIGHT make a good father - but it looks like the boy is very unhappy.   

    At least Trump has the money to send him to a good therapist.  I'm not being nasty to say this - I am actually concerned.
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H4Grimms Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2017
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QPDd…

 You might want to watch this - it predicted Trump would win when it seemed he wouldn't AND he predicts what will happen with Trump...

Here are your evidence - imagine how much evidence there is that Trump is a buffoon.

 There is evidence for three or more decades that Trump is a buffoon.  

  Watch his rallies, read his Tweets - just like there is an overwhelming evidence that Hitler is a jerk - so is it with Trump... just Google anywhere.
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